, we don't have any constituency to help reduce government spending. because we even not dealt with that issue, there's been no progress on the entitlement spending. this is unfortunate going to carry on through to the debt ceiling debate. what that means is every american is going to be harmed because the economy is not going to be wait should be. so because we have lacked the courage to face up, to deal with these issues, we here in washington are going to hurt the american economy, we're going to hurt americans at every level, and to me it's just a travesty that we've not been willing to deal with this issue when for the last two years, jeff, we have known this time is coming. no congress has been more prepared to deal what this issue than us. >> do you think there's going to be progress coming this afternoon? >> probably the worst-case scenario will come out of the meeting today. that, is we will kick the can down the road, jeff, we'll do some small deal, and we'll create another fiscal cliff to deal with this fiscal cliff. again, a total lack of c